Dye Remover for Polyester-Spandex Blend

Hello!

I was reading your suggestion on the fabric dye page for spandex blends. I have a Spider-Man suit that I believe was made through dye sublimation. I want to change the color of it for a new costume idea since it is a spare and I’d rather use the money for this project. I understood from the manufacturer that it is a spandex-polyester blend.

Originally, I was going to buy Dye-Na-Flow and get to work, yet I realized that it would be better to remove the existing dye. Which dye remover will work best for this?

Thank You,
Brian

Bad news here. It’s unlikely that any dye remover will restore your costume to a colorless condition. Some dyes can be removed, some can be lightened or turned to an unpleasant surprise of a color (such as black turning to orange), and some dyes cannot be removed at all; among the dyes currently coloring your costume are probably some of each.

What’s worse, trying to remove the dye is likely to damage the material. Spandex, the stretchy fiber which enables your costume to be close-fitting, really hates heat. All reducing-type dye removers require high heat. Oxidative bleaches such as chlorine bleach will destroy spandex and will turn polyester an ugly dull yellow color.

What I’d encourage you to do instead is find an inexpensive long-sleeved unitard, something like this item:
Unitard Men’s Zentai Bodysuit with Eyes Open
…in either white or a suitable color, keeping in mind that you can easily make it darker or more intense in color, but not lighter. Then go ahead with your Dye-Na-Flow fabric paint. Whatever fabric color you choose will show through any lighter color of paint or dye that you apply; you can apply an opaque color on top of it, such as Neopaque fabric paint, but there will be some slight change in texture, so that’s more suitable for details than large areas of color. (I’m not recommending that specific item, just the concept; make sure that it comes in a size large enough for you. Try a dance supply store if you can’t find it elsewhere.)

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Does the dye/soda ash/water mixture stay “active” indefinitely, or is there a fixed working time?

Name: Rose
Country or region: New York, USA
Message: Hi, Does the dye/water mixture and does the dye/soda ash/water
mixture stay “active” indefinitely or is there a fixed working time for
both? Thank you.

I’m assuming you are talking about Procion MX type fiber reactive dyes; answers will be completely different for other classes of dyes. There are three different questions here: soda ash, dye dissolved in water, and dye dissolved in water with soda ash added.

1. Soda ash alone, no dye mixed, in plain water, stays good indefinitely. It never spoils. Dry soda ash may absorb a little water from the air so that a given weight or volume actually contains less than you might expect. Not a big deal since we tend to use more soda ash than we really need to anyway. Cover the bucket, when you put it away for the day, to reduce evaporation and prevent rain from falling in. You can use a soda ash solution for weeks, even months, after preparing it.

2. Fiber reactive dye plus water alone (no soda ash) lasts only until the dye reacts with the water it’s dissolved in. This process is called hydrolysis. You can keep your dye stock solutions for a week or possibly more, and they’ll still be good, if not even a single drop of soda ash has gotten into them; if you refrigerate them, they will last three times as long. This is assuming you have average water, or use distilled water; alkaline or acidic water will badly shorten the lifespan of reactivity of the dye. Note that different dye colors have different hydrolysis rates, so a mixture of different dyes will shift in hue, as the fastest-reacting members of the mixture go bad!

3. The dye/soda ash/water mixture maintains its strength for only a brief
period of time; it may go bad an hour after the soda ash is added to the
dye! Be completely ready with everything else before you add soda ash to the dye. In high-water-ratio immersion dyeing, do not add soda ash until after the dye has had time to penetrate the fabric, and, for smoothest results, then add the soda ash in three or more parts, stirring for a few minutes after each addition, rather than adding all the soda ash at once. You cannot reuse a fiber reactive dye dyebath.

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Dye disposal & dyeing in kitchen/eating area

Hi Paula,

I have been looking for information about good safety practices when dying with fiber reactive Procion dyes. You posted a response to another person inquiring about safety that referred to information from Dharma Trading and Prochemicalanddye.net. There appears to be conflicting advise online about this topic so your input would be much appreciated.

Generally the safety advise I see online is “don’t inhale it and don’t ingest it.” I used Procion dyes this weekend on a stove top. The dye splashed out of the pot onto the rest of the stove top. I did place newspaper to minimize the dye getting on my food surfaces. I also used the sink to place tools with dye and to rinse them out. Since I also wash dishes in the sink, I am concerned that I am potentially contaminating my eating area. I use only dedicated tools for dying, but a sink is also a tool. Seeing RIT videos with demonstrators
using the kitchen for dyeing, I thought it was safe practice. Prochemicalanddye.net advised not to eat or drink were dyes are used. Likey I won’t use the stove to method again. If I dye again, I will only use my pot in the tub and clean there too. Any advise or guidance will be much appreciated. Thank you for all the information you have provided on your site! It is so helpful!

Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,

I haven’t been able to work much lately, but I want to try to answer your questions.

I believe that you should scrub your stove top and sink thoroughly with a mildly abrasive substance such as Bon Ami cleaning powder. Rinse thoroughly. (I’m sure you’ve done this or the equivalent already.) And then, don’t worry about it. I am much more concerned about easily scratched surfaces, which are difficult to get clean, so I would not recommend ever reusing a plastic surface for food, but an impervious surface, such as stainless steel, porcelain, or glass, can be cleaned pretty effectively. Not enough that we would trust it to remove all traces of truly dangerous substances such as hydrofluoric acid, or mercury compounds, but effectively enough for reasonably safe household chemicals such as Procion dyes. Of course you should clean until no trace of color is visible, and then clean more, after that; this should be sufficient to reduce any possible contamination with the dye to very low levels.

Procion dye is safer than All Purpose dye, because we can find out from our suppliers exactly which dyes are used in the Procion dyes we buy, but it is impossible to get any idea at all of what dyes are contained in any All Purpose dye mixtures that are sold, because the manufacturers keep it all a secret. Until the 1980s, Rit All Purpose dye contained known carcinogens, such as benzidine. See these pages I wrote:

Procion dyes do not contain known carcinogens such as benzidine or o-dianisidine. We try to be careful, though, because there’s no telling whether some of them might turn out to be bad when ingested or inhaled. Unless a dye has been safety-tested, it should be treated as though it is dangerous, even if it seems likely that it is not very dangerous. Consider the many different food colorings that have been used in processed foods for years, only to be banned after it’s found that they may slightly increase the risk of cancer in those who have eaten them.

There are other types of dyes that I do not think you should ever use in your kitchen, specifically a kind of dye called basic dyes, or cationic dyes, or another kind of dye called naphthol dye. Like the old versions of All Purpose dyes, they are known to contain carcinogens or mutagens, and therefore present a much higher risk.

To help put things into perspective, a very interesting related problem is tattoo ink. Tattoos or permanent makeup are so popular that it seems rare now to find someone without any, and yet tattoo inks are pretty much entirely unregulated for safety, in spite of any false claims you may see that a given tattoo ink is FDA approved. Tattoo inks are injected deep into the skin; some of the chemicals from the dyes remain in place, while some are removed by the body and circulate throughout before being excreted. A particular concern is the possibility of bladder cancer, since many chemicals of concern are excreted in urine. (The biggest single cause of bladder cancer is cigarette smoking.)

The shocking thing, to me, is that the safest of tattoo pigments are similar to some of the chromophores used in Procion dyes! No tattoo pigments have ever been tested to determine whether they are safe when used in tattoos. After all the effort we go to to keep from excessive exposure to the dyes we use on textiles, many people are having similar pigments, and far worse pigments, injected right into their skin? Other tattoo pigments contain carcinogens and toxins such as PAH (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), which since before recorded history have always been a part of black tattoo inks, and heavy metals such as chromium and cadmium, all of which are far more concerning at even low levels than the fiber reactive dyes we work with.

Dangerous substances are not found only in the chemicals everyone knows to be concerned about. We can also find polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons in the char produced when food is cooked at high temperatures, as well, including the mess produced when food boils over on the stove and gets scorched by the heating elements. (Grilled food will contain lower levels of carcinogens if the food is marinated first.) Household chemicals such as chlorine bleach, and those that contain it such as dishwasher detergent, are more dangerous than Procion dyes. It’s safe to use bleach on food preparation surfaces only because you rinse it away after using it.

Overall my advice is to try to make efforts to prevent any textile dyes from remaining in food preparation areas, to maintain a clean work area and keep separate pots for dyeing use, but, as long as you are doing all these things, and are avoiding the more dangerous classes of dyes (which you’ve never used anyway), don’t worry too much.

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Paula