lost posts!

There was added fallout this morning from the outage a few days ago. The database for this forum was somehow corrupted. When the hosting service fixed the problem, they must have reverted to a backup of the database from a week ago. It's kind of horrifying how badly all these database-driven forums can crash. I know most websites these days are database-driven, but I still like using hard-coded html for my other pages, since they don't really need the advantages provided by a database, as a forum does.

Before they restarted everything, I could see that someone had posted a message about the menus last night, about 1 am US Central time, but I never got to see what it said or even who wrote it, because clicking on the link wouldn't work.

There was a post by tigerb, I recall, giving helpful feedback on which of two new menu designs I should try. There were two wonderful posts by Pia and Tiger with encouragement I badly needed. How I wish I'd saved off a copy of those! They were in reply to a post I made about an email from an unusually ungrateful site user. And Deb wrote an update about her mostly successful attempts to touch up those browns that didn't turn out right the first time.

There was also a post I made about the use of potassium dichromate as a wood dye. I can probably reconstruct most of that one, later on.

Is there anything else that got lost?

Paula

menus

Hi Paula-- I posted a reply to your menu ideas around 8pm Pacific time last night. It was in response to your second screenshot. It looks better visually than the fisrt one, but I thought the order was unclear. At least, if I was a beginner, I would wonder at cotton/wool/silk/rayon, which just scrambles my alphabetizing and pattern-loving brain. My suggestion was cotton/rayon/silk/wool/other fibers and under that last category, a submenu for acrylic, nylon, polyester, ultrasuede... whatever. "Other fibers" as a last option is clearly not alphabetic, but also clearly suggests it leads to something else (that is).

When I design/organize something, I really try to remember the complete neophyte, as they inevitably bring completely fresh eyes to it, free of jargon and subculture knowledge and preconceived ideas. As the Buddhists would say, a beginner's mind. Which is such a gift for clarity.

Glad your computer world is getting back to order, and in case you need to hear it again, your fans LOVE all the work you put into this resource to make it endlessly interesting and useful. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

--Pia

menu order

Great point, Pia. I had not devoted any though at all to the order of the fibers etc. in the list. So here's my first attempt at doing so:
new How to Dye... menu
I'm concerned about what is the maximum length for a menu. I think this one's okay, since the bottom of the menu is less than 600 pixels from the top of the page. (I don't know whether anyone is still limited to a browser window size of 600 high by 800 wide.)

I plan to make each of the headers on that list lead to pages of their own, by the way. No dead menu items. To keep from making the menu ridiculously long, I can briefly cover the minor fibers such as ramie and hemp on the cellulose page.

Do you think it's clear enough for a neophyte, or that there's a way in which it might be made more clear? I think it's essential to design for maximum benefit to the neophyte.

Oh, and note that I have not consciously selected the sub-order within each group. Should I go with alphabetic order, or the relative number of questions I get on each one? I think I should start with alphabetical, so it would be like this:

  • cellulose fibers:
    • cotton
    • rayon
  • protein fibers:
    • silk
    • wool
  • synthetic fibers:
    • acetate
    • acrylic
    • nylon
    • polyester
    • polypropylene
    • spandex
  • other materials:
    • leather
    • plastic
    • satin
    • wood

The old "About Dyes" menu has the dye types listed not in alphabetical order, but in my own opinion of the order of their importance to the average user, which is obscure enough, I suppose.

Thank you so much! When I worked in a lab, I could run questions like this by anyone nearby who looked as if they were at loose ends. Everyone can do much better work with a bit of criticism. It's hard to get that when working at home, though. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your suggestions and your encouragement.

Paula

'other materials' menu

As I think about it, I'm leaning more toward having "Other materials" stand alone, leaving plastic, leather, etc., of the menu, but listing them and other on the page that "Other materials" links to. It could also include novel but infrequently used materials such as Ingeo and Soy Silk.

Paula

other other materials

I think that's a great idea, because if some truly oddball thing comes up, you can throw it on the page but not have to update your menu.

my blog: A Good Day to Dye

Forum recovery

Paula,
Wow! You have certainly had your share of bad computer crashes this month! I'm amazed that the database folk don't back up more frequently than weekly, but who knows? Maybe more recent backups were corrupted. I so don't miss all the drama of computer program and data maintenance! I hope you've seen the last of the crash problems for a long time to come!
Judy
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http://www.tiedyejudy.artfire.com
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"Life without tie-dye is waaaaaaaaaaaay dull!"

recovery

Thanks, Judy! I believe they do a backup every single night, around midnight Eastern time, but whatever it was that went wrong was, they said, fallout from the crash last weekend, so the backups were bad, too. At least they did fix it within an hour of my request for help, which is not bad for a Saturday morning. I was just asking them how to repair a data table that's marked "in use", since it was clear that that one needed to be repaired, but nothing happened when I repaired it. I was surprised when the whole thing disappeared and then shortly came back, all fixed except for the lost posts! Disappointingly, the most recent Google cache saved from it was from October 23, so no help at all. (The Hand Dyeing Q&A blog was cached on the 28th.)

Paula

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