Time required to set acid dyes

Hi,

The books I've read all say to hold acid dyes at temperature (usually 185 degrees or so) for 45 minutes or so when immersion dyeing. I've found that with Lanaset/Sabraset dyes, the dye usually strikes within a few minutes of reaching 185 degrees, and at that point, the water is clear. The rinse water is clear as well. Do I still need to keep the temperature at 185 for 45 minutes, and if so why? Does it make the yarn more lightfast/washfast? I have never noticed running with Sabraset dyes, even when I pull it from the dyebath "early".

Been wondering about this for several years now, would love to know what is really going on during the lengthy dyeing period.

Thanks!

Tien

exhaustion vs. bonding

It's a two-step process. Exhaustion is when the dye leaves the water for the fiber, which is a process whose results you can readily see. That's the first step. The second step is when the dye in the fiber forms bonds to it, mainly hydrogen type bonding in the case of the acid dyes, and covalent bonding in the case of the reactive dyes.

Bonding between the Lanaset dye and the protein fiber cannot occur without exhaustion of at least some of the dye. It has to be next to it in order to bond to it (obviously). However, bonding does not necessarily take place immediately upon exhaustion. It can take more time.

I don't know how much of your Lanaset dye has bonded to the fiber in the first couple of minutes. Some of it might bond very quickly. The 45-minute recipe probably includes an extra margin to be sure that all of the dye that's going to react has done so. When you want to be sure to get as much color yield as possible from a given amount of dye, it's probably a good idea to use the full time, but you might do just about as well with less time.

You'd have to experiment if you want to be sure. In order to tell how much of your dye has not only exhausted but also formed bonds, you have to do the full washing out process (whatever that means for a particular dye) on one sample, and compare the results to the unrinsed fiber in another sample. (I have not done this, myself.) You'd have to do this for each color, since the chemistry of a different dye, in the same group of dyes, can be surprisingly different, in some cases. Or, you can just be sure to use the full time when full color intensity really matters, and cut the time shorter when it doesn't, and always wonder. Certainty requires a lot of trouble!

-Paula

Hey guys, great thread! So t

Hey guys, great thread! So this made me wonder - if I have yarn that has been dyed & washed & everything - and I suspect it hasn't been heated enough (long enough or hot enough - either way), can I just go ahead and steam it? I mean, if I am right, and it hasn't been heated enough - would heating it now create the bond or is it too late for that?
Thanks again!
Liz

steaming later

In that situation, I think it's a very good idea to steam your yarn.

My only question would be whether it is necessary to add the auxiliary chemicals again, if they've been rinsed out already. Necessary for some dyes but not for others, I think.

-Paula

Steaming later...

Hi Paula,
I was thinking about that too, but it made me wonder - since silk is often steamed (and from what I can tell, it is sometimes only steamed, without acid - yes?) couldn't you just steam to set? Or am I wrong about the silk needing only steam?
Liz

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